Deployment time blues


Dammit...how long time do you spend waiting on your J2EE server when deploying ?

At my work we use a server for which we can reduce the deployment time dramatically compared to Weblogic, Websphere and others I've tried. It's 5-10 seconds, compared to minutes in the big-shots containers....

I don't like to wait more than 5-10 seconds, so I'm shocked when I hear/read about deploymenttimes seems just to get higher and higher for many projects using big commercial servers.......what are you doing to keep them down ?

Using hot/inplace hotdeployment has a rumor of being "flakey" on some servers, is this still true ? Can one rely on it reloading classes correctly ?